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Comment on paid clergy // missional living by lisa

lisa — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:37:44 +0000

The mission tourism or mission vacation is a systems issue within the church itself. A culture of missions must be cultivated with being faithful locally before we go globally. Therefore, my bias is not to have people serve on international trips until they’ve been active in local missions. Additionally, intentional dialogues about what we experienced in serving and what that means is inperative-even after spomething as simple as a half work day

Comment on paid clergy // missional living by Scott Fillmer

Scott Fillmer — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:39:24 +0000

Missional-vacation should have been mission-vacation… amazing how much difference an “al” can make. In other words, those in the church who take their 2-week vacation for that mission trip and feel they have done their missional work and after that 2-weeks the work is done for that year.

In other words, it is not a specific time frame or point in time, it is a lifestyle.
Scott Fillmer´s last blog ..2009 Year End Photo-Video

Comment on paid clergy // missional living by J.B.

J.B. — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:46:41 +0000

That is most definitely a reason, but pastors getting paid isnt anything new. It probably is a westernized concept of the church (therefore unintentional). It is HIS job, not mine , as your thought indicated. Pastors and ministries must build a culture that encourages the missional. Most church members think being a christian is just “getting saved” , reading the bible, praying and not doing certain things. They dont understand the call to serve others with love. I think that it starts with the leadership, if the leaders model this by action, the church will follow. (or leave) They must convey to the church that it is OUR job as christians to love others through service with the gospel.

Comment on paid clergy // missional living by bslash

bslash — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:24:54 +0000

I have no idea what that means

Comment on paid clergy // missional living by Scott Fillmer

Scott Fillmer — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:22:22 +0000

In short, yes…

I have long realized that many people view those who get paid to do the missional work as those who are supposed to DO the missional work. The separation is made even more distinct (or confusing) when you throw in the missional-vacation.
Scott Fillmer´s last blog ..2009 Year End Photo-Video

Comment on deep church // the third way by Matt

Matt — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:49:29 +0000

Thanks! We’re in Saint Louis. It seems I’m a perpetual student. I’m a grad student at the university of Missouri-St. Louis studying philosophy and working with a church plant here in town.

Comment on deep church // the third way by bslash

bslash — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:38 +0000

And congratulations on the baby! Where are you guys at now?

Comment on deep church // the third way by bslash

bslash — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:34:01 +0000

We are doing well Matt, Thank you.

So, even if they are a part of the ‘church’ by being a part of Judaism, were they full followers or do they merely belong to a community?

I’m wondering how we take people to full followers in today’s context. We seem to want to thrust them into the final movement, without taking them on the journey to get there.

Basically, can you be a disciple before you take up your cross?

(Loving the Tozer comment)

Comment on deep church // the third way by Lee

Lee — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:53:24 +0000

i’m loving the posts…tearing through them brother. i defer to Tozer from our chapter on ‘Goodness’ that we discussed this week:

“What is God like? It is a question that must be answered if we’re going to be any kind of Christians at all.”

Jesus leads the disciples for a period of time where (as you paraphrased above) he is showing/teaching them about the nature of God (who he is) wayyyy before he leads them to any kind of obedience and sacrifice.

We have to know what we believe about God if we are to be any kind of Christians at all.
Lee´s last blog ..change…and what’s next

Comment on deep church // the third way by Matt

Matt — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:13:27 +0000

I guess it all depends on your definitions of church and which type of church you’re talking about: church local or church universal. Would we consider Jesus and the 12 disciples a ‘church’? I think an argument could be made that they were already a part of the church (judaism) as worshipers of the one true God and Jesus was calling them to be leaders in the new covenant.

BTW, its been a long time. How you guys been? Celeste and I have one in the oven!